Just wondering… my husband and I are non-denom Sabbath keepers. I have an office job and my husband has had a few different jobs, but it’s always kinda tough to find Sabbath-friendly workplaces(schedules). He’s working for a landscaping company right now but there’s not alot of room to move up so we’re trying to brainstorm other ideas…
I just want some “real-life” examples from other Sabbath keepers on how you make a living 🙂 Any companies or industries that tend to be easier to work with as far as the schedules go, etc… If you could give me a few examples (you, spouse, parents, other church members?) that would help me get lots of ideas to start with.
(Preferably ideas/stories other than office jobs, my husband is not really office material, LOL. He likes to work with his hands, likes to cook, likes to interact with people…)
(Sorry it posted twice, Internet glitched right when I hit submit.)
I should add, we are always upfront about needing the Sabbath and Holy days off and we do trust God to provide when we obey him, so I wasn’t looking for encouragement on that 🙂 We just want to brainstorm other career options for him!
And this is the seventh day (Saturday) Sabbath I’m talking about, just to be clear 🙂
well, heres what i think. my husband has turned down jobs that would have required that he worked on the Lord’s day. we truely believe that He has commanded that we keep that day set apart for Him. and when we honor that- He will bless us. and He has. the Lord always promises to bless obedience to His word.
my husband landscaoes as well, but he does specialised stuff like ponds, and waterscapes- lots of $$, mabey your hubby can look into learning some more of the types of skills that make more money
keeping the Lords day is what you should do, He will honor that!!
I totally disagree with you Hogie, and scriptures prove the Sabbath is throughout eternity.
THE Seventh day as per the Commandment. It was kept by Jesus, it was kept by Paul, it was kept by the Apostles, it was kept by the early Church by both Jews and Gentiles and this is also verified by Jesus who showed it still kept in 70 A.D. when the temple was destroyed.
Revelation 12:17 speaks of a remnant of God’s original Church that would then arise, which Satan would hate and make war with because it would keep all of the Ten Commandments of God once again. And finally, God showed Isaiah that we will still be keeping the Sabbath in the new Heaven and the New Earth. (Isaiah 66:22-23) Here is the Sabbath being kept from creation and throughout all eternity and of course that also includes now!
Exerps from “GodSsabbathTruths.com
I am curious to know why you believe you have to keep the conditions of a covenant you were never a party to. The sabbath commandment is found in the old covenant to which the only parties to that covenant were Israel and God. Christians were never a party to that covenant, and that covenant ended.
It was determined in Acts 15 that to teach the old covenant to Gentiles who were not a party to the old covenant resulted in there being a subversion of their Christian souls. This is what happens when one continually focuses on the letter of the law. The spirit of the law; faith– gets given a back seat and becomes useless.
You say the sabbath for you is the seventh day; Saturday. This is only because you are calculating the sabbath traveling west from Israel to the U.S. where the sabbath would begin 10 hours later on the east coast of America than it does in Israel. If you traveled east to your location, paying attention to sunsets, your sabbath would begin a full 24 hours earlier than one who goes west, so why don’t you keep the sabbath on Friday?
Is the new covenant not good enough for you? Is living by faith and being led by the Spirit of God insufficient; you need the sabbath also?
You are the servant of the one you serve. If you serve the law, then you are the servant of the law, and not Christ, and the law is a harsh taskmaster who always, without exception, condemns its servants.
I kept the sabbath for over 25 years. There was no one out there to tell me what I am trying to tell you. I hope you do not turn a deaf ear on the truth of the matter; you are not a party to the old covenant.
sabbath keeping job opportunities
Well I work for a bank so I have Sundays off. But he may want to check around at restaurants. Small family owned restaurants and businesses are sometimes closed on Sundays.
God bless and good luck
Hogie do you not yet know that when a gentile professes faith in the Lord Yahushuah and keeps the commandments of Yahuwah that he or she is engrafted to Yisrael! 11Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision,” [which is] performed in the flesh by human hands–12[remember] that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.13But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.14For He Himself is our peace, who made both [groups into] one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall,15by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, [which is] the Law of commandments [contained] in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, [thus] establishing peace,16and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity.(Ephesians 2-11:16) And no the Torah is not “enmity”! The Torah teaches us right from wrong! What Messiah annuled was our record of Sin! 13When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, 14having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. (Colossians 2-13:14) 17But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, 18do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. (Roma 11-17:21)
nursing… you are allowed to save lives…. for 7.5hrs on the sabbath!
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“I’d like to keep the Sabbath, but I can’t – I have to work on Saturdays.”
Wrong. You may think so, but you are mistaken. No one who believes in keeping the Sabbath has to work on Saturdays, at least not in America. No one is pointing a gun at the heads of American Christians and Jews and forcing them to work on Saturdays. Americans who work on the Sabbath do so by their own choice, not because they have to.
There were many Sabbath-keeping Christians in Communist Russia who were ordered by their oppressive government to work on Saturdays. Many of these Christians chose to obey God rather than man, and they lost a lot more than some crummy job. They suffered imprisonment 1 exile, and torture for refusing to break God’s holy Sabbath. When we stand with these faithful saints before the Lord on Judgment Day, will any of us have the gall to say, “Well, Lord, I wanted to keep the Sabbath, but I couldn’t – I had to work on Saturdays”?
How does a disciple of the Messiah go about getting every Sabbath off from his job? First of all, you do not go in and ask your employer if you can have Saturdays off. You are not there to make a request; you are there to inform. You inform your employer (politely and respectfully, of course) that you will not be available to work from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. Your employer may respond in a number of ways:
- “I’ll see what we can do to accommodate you, but in the meantime you’ll have to keep working Saturdays.”
- “We can give you Saturdays off, but you’ll have to work for a few hours on Friday nights.”
- “We’ll do our best to accommodate you, but we may have to occasionally ask you to come in on a Saturday if we’re short of help.”
None of these responses is acceptable. Pharaoh tried three times to persuade Moses and Aaron to compromise the Lord’s demands. (See Exodus 8:25-29, 10:8-11.) Moses and Aaron steadfastly refused to accept Pharaoh’s offer of a compromise solution, and we must likewise refuse to accept an employer’s offer of a compromise.
What if your employer refuses to accommodate you? One solution is to look for a different job. However, that may not be necessary. If this particular job is important to you, you may want to inform your employer of his legal obligation to accommodate employees’ religious practices. This should be done in a polite, respectful manner, not in an obnoxious or threatening way.
Many people do not realize that federal law requires employers to accommodate employees who need time off for religious reasons, “unless the employer demonstrates that accommodation would result in undue hardship on the conduct of its business.” You, the employee, do not have to prove the validity of your case. It is the employer who must try to prove that letting you keep the Sabbath would cause undue hardship to his business. The burden of proof is on the employer, not on the employee.
Federal law considers the following solutions to be “reasonable accommodation” which would not cause undue hardship to an employer’s business:
- Securing a substitute worker (even if the employer has to secure the substitute).
- Flexible scheduling (flexible arrival and departure times; floating or optional holidays; flexible workbreaks; use of lunch time in exchange for early departure; staggered work hours; permitting an employee to make up time lost due to the observance of religious practices).
- Lateral transfer and change of job assignment.
The employer “must offer the alternative which least disadvantages the individual [i.e., the employee] with respect to his or her employment opportunities. The employer can also be required to bear the extra costs of accommodating the employee, unless the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission determines that it is “more than a de minimus cost.”
Sometimes an employer is afraid to give an employee every Saturday off for fear that other employees will see this and likewise demand every Saturday (or Sunday) off for religious reasons. However, according to federal law, this is not proof of undue hardship: “A mere assumption that many more people, with the same religious practices as the person being accommodated, may also need accommodation is not evidence of undue hardship.”
The above legal information can be found in Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, as amended [section 701(j), 703 and 717] and in Part XII Equal Employment Opportunity Commission Guidelines on Discrimination Because of Religion. These same laws apply to labor organizations as well as to employers. The laws pertain not only to scheduling (though this is the most frequent accommodation needed), but also to other religious practices such as a man’s right to wear a beard because of his religious convictions.
The employer’s legal obligation to accommodate “pertains to prospective employees as well as current employees.” This means that employers conducting a job interview must be very careful when asking about the need for religious accommodation: “The Commission will infer that the need for an accommodation discriminatorily influenced a decision to reject an applicant when: (i) prior to an offer of employment the employer makes an inquiry into an applicant’s availability without having a business necessity justification; and (ii) after the employer has determined the applicant’s need for an accommodation, the employer rejects a qualified applicant. The burden is then on the employer to demonstrate that factors other than the need for an accommodation were the reason for rejecting the qualified applicant, or that a reasonable accommodation without undue hardship was not possible.”
I do not wish to bore readers with a lot of legal jargon, but Sabbath-keepers need to know that employees have legal rights to reasonable accommodations, and that some employees take their employers to court to enforce these rights. Even as I was writing this article, a story appeared in the 11/27/98 Jewish Press about a Seventh-Day Adventist whose employer tried to refuse to accommodate her: “Lisette Balint, a resident of Carson City, Nevada, was offered a position in the city’s sheriff’s department, [and] the department refused to excuse her from working on the Sabbath” (“U.S. Court Defends Religious Rights,” p. 62).
Sometimes the employer wins the case, of course, because sometimes it truly would cause undue hardship for the employer to accommodate the employee. When undue hardship is not an issue, though, the law is on our side.
Most employers are reasonable people and are intelligent enough to know that it would be wiser for them to accommodate your need than it would be to refuse you. Many employers will actually respect you for taking a firm, but polite, stand for what you believe. If they are smart, they will know that a person with strong convictions is likely to be a reliable, honest worker with some integrity. They will want to find a way to accommodate you. Some employers are not so kind and understanding, and will simply tell you, “No, you have to work on Saturdays.” If that is the case, then you must pray and ask the Lord to show you what He would have you to do. Would the Lord have you take your employer to court, or would the Lord have you look for a different job? (You don’t need to pray about whether or not the Lord would have you keep working on the Sabbath; He’s already told you in the Ten Commandments not to do that!)
Fighting for your legal rights in court is one issue, but there is also the issue of maintaining a good testimony as a disciple of the Messiah. Some questions you might want to consider:
- Do I really want to work for an employer who lets me have the Sabbath off only because he was forced to do so by the court?
- Will going to court result in resentment and/or jealousy in my workplace, and do I want to work in such an atmosphere?
- Is this job really worth fighting for?
- Is it possible that letting me have every Sabbath off really would cause undue hardship for my employer’s business?
- Even if the court rules in my favor, would there still be some hardship (though not “undue”), and would it be right to let my employer bear this inconvenience?
Keeping your job should really be your third priority in this arena. Keeping the Sabbath and keeping your testimony should be the first priorities. If you can do this and also keep your job, that’s great. Personally, I would not feel comfortable forcing my employer to pay extra costs in order to accommodate me, even though the law can require the employer to bear these minimal costs. For the sake of my testimony as a disciple of the Lord, I would prefer to not exercise this legal right, and would pay for the extra costs myself, unless my employer voluntarily and cheerfully insisted on bearing the cost. I would also be reluctant to demand my legal right to “the alternative which least disadvantages the individual with respect to his or her employment opportunities.” If an employer was willing to accommodate me, I would want to find the solution which least disadvantages both of us. If my employer is willing to bear some minor inconvenience in order to accommodate me, then I should be willing to bear some minor inconvenience to keep the Sabbath.
Every situation is unique and has many factors to consider. This is why it is important to pray before deciding whether or not to take your employer to court if he refuses to let you have the Sabbath off. If you do lose your job for the sake of obeying the Lord, the Lord will honor your sacrifice. He may not provide another job immediately, but He has promised to meet your physical needs if you “seek first the kingdom of God” (Mathew 6:33).
In closing, always remember that you are not called to be a slave to your job. Although you are to treat your employer with honor and respect, your employer is not your Owner and Master. If you are a disciple of the Son of God, then He is your real Owner and Master. You are called to be a servant in His Kingdom. You are not called to be a slave to the world system. So don’t let your employer or anyone else tell you that you have to work on the Sabbath.